November, 2001
Number 68
(Update of Volume 7, Issue 1)
Partners with plans for Homesteading
In
the few days since HP's surprising announcement about ending its
support of the e3000 in five years, a host of companies are coming
forward with announcements of their mission to light the system's
windows indefinitely. Many of these companies began their business
lives with the system, so there's no lack of expertise on hand -- and
more than a few could go toe-to-toe with HP's experts on any day.
We're already seen announcements on the Web and Internet for
these firms and individuals:
Allegro Consultants <http://www.allegro.com>
("If you want to continue to use your HP e3000 for the next 25
years, we at Allegro will help you do so.");
Robelle <http://www.robelle.com> ("I
started on the HP 3000 before the first system was shipped from HP
and I plan to be there long after the last 3000 is
shipped.");
Adager <http://www.adager.com> ("My
vision is to let MPE/Image survive *and prosper* beyond anybody's
wildest dreams. I prefer to think that the time for MPE/Image to
truly take off has finally arrived.");
AICS Research <http://
www.aics-research.com> ("We'll do everything we can to
extend the life of MPE much beyond HP's end-of-support-date. More
than that, we'll do what we can to actually increase its user base.
It's simply too good an operating system to so easily give up
on.");
Minisoft <http://www.minisoft.com>
("As long as we have customers using the HPe3000 platform, we
will continue to produce new versions of our products.")
Ideal Computer Services
<http://www.icsgroup.com>
("We will continue to provide hardware support for our beloved
3000 and partner with the gurus at Allegro to provide software
support.);
Ron Horner Consulting <http://horner.horner.home.mindspring.com>
("I pledge to all HP 3000 customers that Horner Consulting will
support all existing and new clients well past 2007.");
Computer Solutions <http://www.internetcsi.com>
("My company will continue to support the 3000 in the
capacities we have provided in the past for as long as there
is ANY customer demand.")
These firms appear to be the first of what we are calling
Homesteaders, companies who like the pioneers who have made a stand
in their homeland, facing of the forces of change which HP has
introduced to the market. There will be others in the weeks and
months to come, and we encourage them to contact us as a place to
make their missions known.
Other HP 3000 partners who have made similar stands in the
opening days of the 3000 Transition:
M.B. Foster Associates,
offering a Dec. 5 Web seminar on "Transition and Migration
Planning - should I go or should I stay?" with details at <http://www.mbfoster.com/migration/index.cfm>.
The company is helping to organize a Customer Care Consortium at the
same time, one of whose missions is "investigating the
technology needed to assist the customers in supporting their
environments, including the possibility of Open Source for MPE, or HP
MPE being transferred to the right consortium for distribution and
maintenance."
Speedware <http://www.speedware.com>
which stated that "As long as we have customers using the
platform, we will continue to produce new versions of our
products for the HP e3000." The company is also providing
migration paths to Speedware on HP-UX and other platforms, saying
"Whether our customers plan to tackle migrations this year or in
the years to come, our goal is to make their transition as smooth as
possible for them."
Lund Performance Solutions
<http://www.lund.com>
("Will continue software development, support, and professional
services well into the future, surpassing operating system support
life" and "will assist you in mapping a system performance
baseline, formulating a plan for system and application migration,
planning the system capacity with alternatives, and managing the
transition.")
The announcements show evidence of an alternative to HP's
migration proposal for the customer base, plans outlined in
ever-growing detail on the HP Web site. To its credit, the vendor
sees that the option to leave everything in place is a possibility.
In its first "Transition Considerations" white paper, under
the "leave it" section, HP says "If you think your
application is solid and the HP e3000 box you are running is solid,
you might be thinking you could just leave everything 'as it is.' Use
caution if you're tempted by this option. HP strongly discourages
running production applications without proper support. Hardware and
software support will not be available from HP after December 31,
2006. There may be third party support available, but HP has no
influence on the quality of this support, and there will not be HP
support available as a safety net in the event the third party can't
fix your problems." Full text of the White Paper is at <http://www.hp.com/products1/mpeixservers/future/nextsteps/education/transition_wp.html>
You can expect to learn about both the Migration and
Homesteading options for your Transition in the coming issues of the
3000 NewsWire. Third-party support is one of the traditions for the
HP 3000 market something that customers will be able to rely
upon to give them time to decide how their transition will
develop.
A system even profits couldn't
protect
During the past few years the mantra of "but it's a
profitable product line" was often invoked by HP 3000 customers.
HP was measuring the prospects for the product in other ways,
according to comments from HP CSY General Manager Winston Prather.
The decision was sparked by CSY's estimation of the strength of the
partner community, an entity it calls "the ecosystem."
As usual, Prather couldn't comment on whether the mantra of
profitability in recent years was true. But he did say that "The
profitability of the product line was not part of why we made this
decision. So whether we were losing money or making money, we're
trying to figure out what is the right thing for customers and
predicting the future. This wasn't a balance sheet decision. This was
a 'what's the right thing for customers' decision. To be real honest,
we just rolled an entire new product line -- and it would have been
financially better for us to sell them for a year before we made a
decision like this." HP hopes to sell its A-Class and N-Class
computers for two more years.
Getting in on OpenMPE discussions
As
the e3000 community considers its options for the future, advocates
are opening discussions about how to launch an Open Source-like
effort for extending the life of the operating system and its
database. The Internet discussions are surfacing in the first week
outside of the most popular HP 3000 newsgroup, 3000-L. A group on
Yahoo has begun the talks about how to get MPE development into the
hands of its customers, a possibility that HP is willing to consider
if not commit to immediately. Jon Backus, founder of the Tech Group
University training center, invites everyone to participate:
"There has been a separate discussion group created to
"seriously" discuss and review the idea of MPE moving to a
"Open Source" module. Topics of discussion will include the
idea of a "Linux" style module versus a "Coop"
style module. The viability of MPE being maintained by any other
group outside of HP. The likelihood of porting MPE to another
hardware platform.
"This group is for people seriously interested in
discussing and being involved in this concept, in a calm rational
fashion. It is not intended to continue or fuel the emotional
reactions. For those people that have been involved with MPE for a
long period of time, such as myself, this announcement will invoke a
very similar emotional reaction as a death of a loved one. There are
many stages to this type of grieving process and anger is a very
legitimate stage. However, there is a need to take a deep breath and
consider the options in a rational way. We are talking about the
heart and soul of the IT infrastructure for many companies and
decisions and forward paths will need to be determined as quickly and
soundly as possible.
"If you wish to take part in this discussion, please
subscribe by sending email to OpenMPE-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.
Backus updated us after our transmission of the Online Extra
by e-mail, saying that the Open Source model doesn't appear to be in
favorwith the Homestead group of the community; some think the model
is not fit for a customer base of the 3000's size, or a technology as
mature and large as MPE and IMAGE.
"The feeling and desire is very much not
"open source," he said. "The opening e-mail presented
several models for the sake of open discussion, but the vast majority
feeling, which I completely agree with, is a migration of support and
control of the entire MPE environment, including IMAGE, to a new
entity. The "source" would continue to be closely
controlled, similar to the way it is today. This, like OpenVMS, is
the objective of the OpenMPE group."
And there is some precedent for HP to transfer complex
e3000 technology to an outside entity. Exegesys, which took over the
MM II ERP application from HP, had one of its developers comment when
Charles Finley of migration supplier TransforMix <http://www.xformix.com> asked if
HP had ever given up source code:
"Just making sure you haven't forgotten about us,"
wrote Exegesys' Keven Miller, "not open source, but source
received from HP: HP MM II is a large source project. With what we
have, and learned to manage, I believe anything HP has can be
tackled, no matter what shape it's in. It's just time -- to
experienced programmers in reading code, and scripts that build.
(Maybe even decomping and re-SPL for those few missing sources
:)"
Customers who are interested in OpenMPE can make their wishes
known or comment on the shortcomings of the prospect
by taking a one-page survey. The document is available at <http://www.TechGroupMD.com/OpenMPE.htm>
and can be faxed back to Tech Group at 301.714.1854. The group is in
talks with the e3000 division managers about the idea, so comments
could have an impact on the progress of Open Source.
Price comparisons: not so
favorable
In
the days leading up to HP's announcement, customers made comparisons
between HP e3000 and HP 9000 solutions -- especially apt, given the
push that the 3000 division has made toward the HP-UX alternative.
One customer using both platforms reported the prices from the HP Web
site for comparable low-end systems:
HP 9000 A-class two way 550 with 4Gb memory, two 36Gb disks,
and HP-UX, costs $45,000.
A-class HP 3000 140Mhz two way, 4Gb memory, two 36Gb disks,
and MPE/iX 7.0 costs $43,000.
The HP 3000 solution, of course, includes the IMAGE database,
something not available on the HP 9000 configuration.
A similar price point for hardware ready for Linux offers
more horsepower: a 4-way IA-64, 800Mhz, 4Gb memory, 36Gb hot
swappable disk, mirrored to 36 Gb disk, split backplane, CD-ROM, with
Linux/64 pre-installed is about $50,000.
FTP patches arrive for more
functionality
While Transition considerations are vital issues, there's
still tens of thousands of HP e3000s to be managed for years to come.
One of the 3000's growing capabilities is in the FTP file transfer
protocol, and a new set of patches gives more features than ever in
this category. HP general-released patches for MPE/iX 6.0, 6.5 and
7.0 -- FTPGD91, FTPGD92 and FTPGD93, respectively -- which add new
commands for FTP on the 3000. SITE STREAM supports the execution
STREAM of a MPE batch job file from a FTP client which has already
established a connection to the HP e3000. A NETRC file supports an
automated logon to a remote host. And the PASSIVE command is an
enhancement added to the FTP Client and FTP Server to support
third-party transfers. HP engineer James Hoffmeister said that
PASSIVE "is an important implementation for sites using firewall
technology, securing access from users or systems external to their
local intranet.
And HP has added some security to its FTP for the e3000 with
the PASSWORD = ON configuration option. The enhancement added to the
FTP Server supports the ability to restrict the establishment of FTP
connections to MPE USER.ACCOUNT's where at least one password -- a
USER password or an ACCOUNT password -- must exist. By using PASSWORD
= ON, the FTP server will reject any attempt to establish an inbound
FTP client connection to the e3000 for MPE USER.ACCOUNTs which do not
have at least one MPE logon password. A CONSOLE_LOGGING = ON"
SETPARMS.ARPA.SYS configuration option is a security enhancement
added to the FTP Server which supports the logging of MPE session
logon attempts (success and failure) on inbound FTP connections to
the HP e3000 system. The messages are logged on the system console as
well as to the MPE system logfiles.
Invent3K, Bixby run with business as usual
HP
3000 advocates and customers might have been dismayed about where the
announcement of the systems' end of support came from -- the e3000
division itself, and not from the top corporate echelons of HP. But
there's plenty of evidence that those in the division are both
saddened by the CSY decision and still dedicated to the passion of
using the platform. Division engineer Mark Bixby, who came to the
group with a reputation for porting software to the platform,
announced there's no change in the Invent3K Server, the public
resource HP opened up earlier this year to assist in porting and
development. Bixby said in an Internet posting:
"Today's news regarding the future of the HP e3000 does
not change the status of the Invent3K public access machine. We are
still accepting registrations for access at http://jazz.external.hp.com/pads/.
Attention ISVs -- if you would like to use Invent3K to
showcase demo versions of your migration tools, please register at
the above URL. "
Bixby is hard at work on the latest version of Sendmail for
the e3000, too, in spite of the division's announcements. It
could serve as proof the next few years will include enhancements
from HP for a system which it says it won't support beyond the end of
2006. Bixby reported:
"The 8.12.1 [Sendmail] beta available from<http://jazz.external.hp.com/src/sendmail/>
is the latest and greatest. There are currently 19 beta testers, and
they've found one documentation bug on the Web page (corrected), and
made one enhancement for it to more conveniently install on top of
8.9.1 (to be enhanced at production release).
"8.12.1 will be submitted to MPE/iX 7.5 as a fully
supported part of FOS. There will also be a fully supported 7.0
patch. There will be no official HP support on versions of MPE
earlier than 7.0.
"However, I have tested 8.12.1 on 6.0 and 6.5 and it
seems to run just fine. There will be no HPRC support for Sendmail on
these MPE releases; if you have any questions, post them to HP 3000-L
or e-mail me directly and I will answer as time permits. Which is
basically the same level of "support" you get with 8.9.1.
;-)
"8.12.1 definitely handles messages piped to programs
better. Programs that terminate in error will have any stderr output
bounced back to the message sender, whereas 8.9.1 was unable to due
to porting workaround reasons."
Bixby is also working on making good on HP's promise to
deliver a free secure Web server for the platform in the 7.5 release.
His heart, perhaps like that of many an HP CSY staffer, remains
clearly wedded to the computer, as evidenced by a message he
transmitted during the week of the announcement. Customers posted
song lyrics to express their emotions, and Bixby chose one from Carly
Simon's catalog to represent the way he felt about his relationship
to the computer:
BETTER NOT TELL HER
Better not tell her, that I was your lover
Better not make her jealous of me
Better convince her there was nothing between us
I'm not those initials in your diary
But if you slip and my name comes up
Don't deny that you knew me
Just leave out the white nights
The moon in your window
The break in your whisper
The promises after
Better not tell her why you love Spanish dancing
Don't bother to say that it's hot in the summer in Madrid
Let it all go now, Like smoke from a candle
Like the trace of a song that you hear in the wind
But if you slip and my name comes up
Don't deny that you knew me
Just leave out the white nights
The moon in your window
The break in your whisper
The promises after
Leave out the tears and the laughter
She won't need to know
That I cried when you left
That I think of you still
But if you slip and my name comes up
Don't deny that you knew me
Just leave out the white nights
The moon in your window
The break in your whisper
The promises after
Leave out the tears and the laughter
She won't need to know
That I'd die for your love
That I still...love...you
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